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	<title>Comments on: Last Night in Paradise by Katie Roiphe</title>
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		<title>By: Unhooked by Laura Sessions Stepp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unhooked by Laura Sessions Stepp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More hand-wringing than Last Night in Paradise, less high-minded than Unprotected, Unhooked is more likely than either to provoke fear and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Superfast Reader</title>
		<link>http://superfastreader.com/last-night-in-paradise-by-katie-roiphe.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1163</link>
		<dc:creator>Superfast Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for Arthur Ashe...

I think it must&#039;ve been me, not Roiphe, who put the 20,000 to Magic--as soon as you brought up Wilt Chamberlain I realized that&#039;s where I got that # from. I don&#039;t think specific numbers played into the Magic story, except for the &quot;6 at once&quot; story he gave to Larry King or Dan Rather or somebody like that.

I bet the number is much higher than 200, though.  At one point in the Magic chapter Roiphe brings up that for a &quot;normal&quot; man, 100 partners is considered a lot, so imagine a world where triple digits is the norm.  Magic described how women would just show up at the hotel, waiting to be chosen for sex.  So very, very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for Arthur Ashe&#8230;</p>
<p>I think it must&#8217;ve been me, not Roiphe, who put the 20,000 to Magic&#8211;as soon as you brought up Wilt Chamberlain I realized that&#8217;s where I got that # from. I don&#8217;t think specific numbers played into the Magic story, except for the &#8220;6 at once&#8221; story he gave to Larry King or Dan Rather or somebody like that.</p>
<p>I bet the number is much higher than 200, though.  At one point in the Magic chapter Roiphe brings up that for a &#8220;normal&#8221; man, 100 partners is considered a lot, so imagine a world where triple digits is the norm.  Magic described how women would just show up at the hotel, waiting to be chosen for sex.  So very, very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Sycorax Pine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sycorax Pine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for elaborating, Superfast Reader - this is  a really fascinating issue, and I am eager to learn more about it.  

The only reason I question the 20,000 figure is that Wikipedia (not always accurate, I know! So I wanted to double-check with you) lists the number as 200, and the only other references I can find to it online are to Wilt Chamberlain&#039;s claim to have had sex with 20,000 women in his (at the time, longer) life.  Apparently Arthur Ashe was quite scathing about both men&#039;s pride in their own promiscuity.

Thanks for writing so well about such an important issue, Superfast Reader! I always enjoy reading your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for elaborating, Superfast Reader &#8211; this is  a really fascinating issue, and I am eager to learn more about it.  </p>
<p>The only reason I question the 20,000 figure is that Wikipedia (not always accurate, I know! So I wanted to double-check with you) lists the number as 200, and the only other references I can find to it online are to Wilt Chamberlain&#8217;s claim to have had sex with 20,000 women in his (at the time, longer) life.  Apparently Arthur Ashe was quite scathing about both men&#8217;s pride in their own promiscuity.</p>
<p>Thanks for writing so well about such an important issue, Superfast Reader! I always enjoy reading your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Superfast Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Superfast Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was sleeping with more than one woman a day--in an interview on one of the major networks, he bragged about the time he slept with 6 women at once.  

Her criticism was not with Magic per se, but with the media portrayal of his story.  Here was a man who was engaging in flagrantly risky behavior, yet he had to be cast as a &quot;hero&quot; and a &quot;gentleman&quot; so that he could be a suitable public face to AIDS.  He had had an on-again, off-again relationship with a woman since high school, so she got cast as his &quot;high school sweetheart,&quot; even though he had a child with another woman while they were supposedly together, and obviously cheated on her a number of times.  And it was unthinkable to suggest that Magic might have engaged in any kind of bisexual activity, because for AIDS to be palatable to &quot;America&quot; it needed to be liberated from being associated with homosexuality.  

A similar recasting occurred with Alison Gertz, a straight woman from a wealthy Upper East Side family who contracted AIDS after having a one-night-stand with a bisexual nightclub bartender when she was only 16.  The media portrayed it as a night of passion and romance in order to deflect attention from Gertz&#039;s promiscuity.

The reason I called it a double standard was because Roiphe reports that Pres Bush Sr and VP Dan Quayle publicly called Magic Johnson a &quot;gentleman,&quot;** a statement I find shameful when contrasted with Quayle&#039;s same-era denunciation of the fictional character Murphy Brown, a woman who chose single motherhood after becoming pregnant.

**I said &quot;hero&quot; above, but that was a mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was sleeping with more than one woman a day&#8211;in an interview on one of the major networks, he bragged about the time he slept with 6 women at once.  </p>
<p>Her criticism was not with Magic per se, but with the media portrayal of his story.  Here was a man who was engaging in flagrantly risky behavior, yet he had to be cast as a &#8220;hero&#8221; and a &#8220;gentleman&#8221; so that he could be a suitable public face to AIDS.  He had had an on-again, off-again relationship with a woman since high school, so she got cast as his &#8220;high school sweetheart,&#8221; even though he had a child with another woman while they were supposedly together, and obviously cheated on her a number of times.  And it was unthinkable to suggest that Magic might have engaged in any kind of bisexual activity, because for AIDS to be palatable to &#8220;America&#8221; it needed to be liberated from being associated with homosexuality.  </p>
<p>A similar recasting occurred with Alison Gertz, a straight woman from a wealthy Upper East Side family who contracted AIDS after having a one-night-stand with a bisexual nightclub bartender when she was only 16.  The media portrayed it as a night of passion and romance in order to deflect attention from Gertz&#8217;s promiscuity.</p>
<p>The reason I called it a double standard was because Roiphe reports that Pres Bush Sr and VP Dan Quayle publicly called Magic Johnson a &#8220;gentleman,&#8221;** a statement I find shameful when contrasted with Quayle&#8217;s same-era denunciation of the fictional character Murphy Brown, a woman who chose single motherhood after becoming pregnant.</p>
<p>**I said &#8220;hero&#8221; above, but that was a mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Sycorax Pine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sycorax Pine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you say a little more about the  Magic Johnson section of the book?  I am intrigued by what the nature of Roiphe&#039;s criticism of him was, perhaps because I have only heard the media construction of his story, as you mention (although isn&#039;t the number of women that he claims to have slept with 200, rather than 20,000 - the latter would require sleeping with a different women every day for over 50 years!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you say a little more about the  Magic Johnson section of the book?  I am intrigued by what the nature of Roiphe&#8217;s criticism of him was, perhaps because I have only heard the media construction of his story, as you mention (although isn&#8217;t the number of women that he claims to have slept with 200, rather than 20,000 &#8211; the latter would require sleeping with a different women every day for over 50 years!).</p>
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		<title>By: Superfast Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Superfast Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s depressing, for sure.</description>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds interesting, if kind of depressing. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds interesting, if kind of depressing. <img src='http://superfastreader.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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